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Law schools are fundamentally trade schools with a particularly robust networking element but with a particularly weak focus on actual real life skills. The problem is that while one can easily augment the other, it's never treated as such.

I treated my law school experience as a trade school pretty much entirely. I went to all of the office hours for LRW, I always had an internship or externship and racked up 3000 hours or so. I missed my own graduation because I was in trial. I turned down multiple job offers and learned how to get a job without submitting a resume and indeed I haven't since. But I also spent a very awkward 5 months where I couldn't get hired at a restaurant and ended up refurbishing servers out of my apartment to make rent. Some of my friends had the money to go on vacation after the bar, but others ghostwrote briefs and did oddball jobs like me to get by for no good reason. Perhaps it's because law school in reality teaches for the bar exam except the bar exam frequently asks almost no questions pertaining to real life practice. I ended up doing a lot of admin law. There were zero questions on the exam about admin law. It felt like being a urologist being tested on how well I knew dentistry. Oh, and this was a the Javits Center and since the room was huge, it was obvious that at least a hundred test takers couldn't finish not because their own fault but because the really poorly made software crashed. I later reverse-engineered it and a lot of it might as well be rudimentary ransomware. It seems like a gross oversight to prevent cheating which, in practice, is not considered cheating, but fulfilling one's ethical responsibility by researching on the matter before giving an answer. Law school teaches would-be lawyers to act as ChatGPT does when it writes briefs - to hallucinate and showcase skills in a grand fiction, instead of actually, I don't know, lawyering?

I also never even applied to law review, did very little extracurriculars, and yet was well known enough in the courthouse that the first time I, with my provisional license in hand 2 days after my 2L finals, went up to the podium, which was nerve wracking even for a Friday status conference, froze for a brief second and the judge addressed me by name, and told me to calm down and start over. I had prosecutors pat me on the back in the hallway (I was at the public defender's) and telling me the worst part is over and everyone has a moment like that their first time in front of a judge like that. The community was supportive, which was a relief. If I panicked and had to start something over on an exam or god forbid the bar, I'd fail. They're night and day.

And I realize that the profession, especially in some states *ahemNEVADAahem* where they have artificial barriers to entry to disadvantage lawyers perfectly competent to practice elsewhere from joining the bar in the state by forcing seasoned practitioners to retake the bar. I'm a Nevadan, but went out of state for school and when I moved home, the zero reciprocity thing basically told me "go somewhere else or don't be a lawyer". So instead I quit the profession and then made more money wagering on sports in a spring training than I did the past year working in a public interest firm. Lotteries are illegal in Nevada, but some aspects of the hoop they put up is simply put a lottery, and it's entirely performative and entirely pointless. How many real generalists are still out there? I don't get asked to draft a contract and I wouldn't do so if asked. I'd call up a friend from law school. Ultimately this is a service industry job that happens to pay a lot to some. Reading law reviews lately I noticed the gulf between the notes and the articles. It's probably unfair to compare anyone to the likes of Orin Kerr, but a lot of what the students are writing in law reviews are laughably naive and detached from the actual law and sometimes I can't tell if it's a parody or not, since none of them had the quality of the Common Law Origins of the Infield Fly Rule. I understand that there's a barrier to entry, but the one we kept on makes no sense and I think is detrimental to the profession generally.

I can, still, treat the field as an intellectual one. Constitutional law as debated remains interesting, there are obscure cases that I very much follow, and I even have an RSS feed set up for opinions of Don Willett, 5th Circuit. I didn't gain the appreciation through the year of con law I took but through seeing it in action and the benefits and harms that can be inflicted. It also doesn't matter since on day one at the public defender's office I was told that if I expected a political career this is my last chance to leave. I stayed. And the admonishment rings true even today. It's all incongruous, and that's what's frustrating. We don't learn black magic or anything mystical, even though clients think we did. We don't get taught how to handle moral quandries that nobody else has a framework to figure out. Being 27 and trying to figure out how to negotiate out of a potential death penalty for my client was... well, a bit much, even with the qualifications on paper all there. Law school teaches so little about IRL client control that it's shocking. People go to law school for different reasons. I went because I want to engage in an adversarial proceeding to protect the rights of my clients and I did just that, but I also no longer go to any therapy because it's completely unrelatable to any therapist I've ever met. Now that we're in an era where Article III functions traditionally enforced by Article II agencies are ignored en masse, is there even a law to teach 15 years down the line?

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"Let’s leave aside the catnip character of such programs, as they can be a key supplemental revenue source in a world in which JD enrollment is unstable"

Can? Non-JD enrollment in law school was stable for decades, rarely cresting 8,000 students. And by sheer coincidence that number exploded right after the Law School Crisis, which was precipitated by lawsuits and news articles about starving law grads, cratered JD applications and enrollment. Now non-JD enrollment is around 25,000 and nearly accounts for 1 in 5 students in American law schools. It has never been about anything other than a naked cash grab to make up for diminished JD enrollment, cheered on by a feckless accreditor that does not require law schools divulge ANYTHING about non-JD debt, employment, or salaries. How very convenient. Notre Dame professor Derek Muller has written about this sad and greedy law school side hustle for years. My own law school went from openly chiding LLMs as money grabs by unscrupulous law students aimed at desperate JD grads to [checks notes] offering a spate of LLMs and M.Jurs when it finally became public knowledge that only 45% of their grads were finding full-time jobs as lawyers and their JD applicant pool appropriately evaporated.

Incidentally these non-JD degrees do not fall under the professional degree rubric so far as I am aware so they will now be subject to a $20,500/year federal lending cap. Good luck with that!

"The bread and butter of our programs and our business model is the training of lawyers."

Really? When did law schools starting training their students? Have you guys renounced Langdell and the Socratic method and replaced your wet-behind-the-ears faculty with senior lawyers who actually teach how to draft and negotiate and manage a business and appear in court instead of spouting federal appellate opinions at students like they're all going to by CoA clerks? C'mon. Law school is a pseudophilosophical Potemkin village masquerading as a liberal arts program masquerading as a professional school.

"Is it training students to “think like a lawyer?”"

I hate to bang on this point but a faculty that is 98% comprised of people who graduated from law school, clerked for a year or two (or got a PhD in a different discipline), and joined the academy [clears throat] DO NOT KNOW HOW TO THINK LIKE LAWYERS THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY'VE NEVER BEEN LAWYERS IN ANY MEANINGFUL OR INDEPENDENT SENSE. This is what I mean by law school being a Potemkin village. Law schools can't teach students how to think like lawyers because it doesn't employ people who know how to think like lawyers.

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